We were asked to discuss the above question in small groups and produce some answers:
- Graphic design is mass produced
- Graphic design is meant to communicate a message whereas fine art is someone's own interpretation
- Graphic design is more type based
- Graphic design is more desposable
- Graphic design is more digital
- Fine art often have their work exhibited whereas graphic design is more commercial
- Fine art is high culture, linked to expense, showing a class distinction
- Graphic design is communication and fine art is expression
- Graphic design is understandable as a rule
- Fine art doesn't care about being understandable
- Graphic designers don't sign their work whereas fine artists do
- Mass production vs individual creation
- Fine art is pure
- Illustration is the beginning of selling out
- Graphic design is commercial art
- Advertising is selling - period
We then discussed the differences Richard had listed and we had actually covered them in what we had previously discussed:
- Ambiguity or complexity of meaning
- The designer as wage labourer
- Cultural significance
- Expression and individuality
- Creativity/problem solving
- Function
- Graphic design is simple, whereas fine art is complex
- Because graphic designers do what the boss tells you to do, not for free
- Fine art is more expensive and sold for more money - more accurate depiction of the world
- Fine art is more expressive/individual
- Graphic design problem solving implying no creativity
- Graphic design has less purpose as it has a function whereas fine art has no purpose and yet still works
- Sigmar Polke (1969)
- Monet (1882)
- David Carson
- Allen Hori (1989) - A poster that attempts to deconstruct a poster
- Often people five fine art more meaning that artists themselves
- Can't sell his work as noone understands it so he kills himself
- Van Gogh shot himself in the asylum as he was a manic depressive
- He has a wealthy brother to make himself believe he was great
- Cut his ear off and everyone thought he was strange
- We only recognise his work after his death along with other fine artists
- Fine artists are outside of society and don't care about money
- They don't need to have a job
- Hagiography - look up if I do this question
- Damien Hirst - Shark, spots etc
- Ephemerality - Look good for a certain amount of time the discarded (Graphic design)
- Fine art is eternal whereas graphic design is throw away
- Graphic design reaches a larger audience therefore it is more culturally significant
- Constable (1821) The Haywain - Painting represents everything English
- The Japanese tourists go every year to capture the landscape
- 13 workers in the background represent minor figures
- At the time there were mass riots however and it is a revolutionary painting
- People think it is reality
- But the England captured is a lie
- Assumption - Value makes art more important
- Picasso Les Notes de Plerrette 1905 sold in 1989 for $49.3m
- All people who bought works were Japanese and paid more than the amount the paintings were worth
- It turned out that the money was drug money and they had invested into art work to maintain the value
- Pollock (1947) - Painting for an audience
- Expression - means same for fine art and graphic design
- Communication of an idea through the visual
- The notion os creativity as 'irruption' is mistaken and mystified
- Both graphics and art are two ways in which experience is made meaningful and visually communicated
- Neither is created in the above sense
- Raymond Williams (1961) 'The Long Revolution'
- L'art pour l'art
- Whistker (1872-7)
- Art for the sake of art is ultimately redundant and useless
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